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ATV Accessories
Just bought a used atv. I'm looking to outfit it for deer hunting and working on the hunting ground. What's everyone's favorite accessories and are there any that you regret buying.
I'm particularly interested in knowing what brand/type bow/gun racks you use. I would also like to know if it's worth putting a basket on the back for hauling tools. I already have a small trailer, so I'm thinking the basket will be overkill.
Finally, what are the items that you wouldn't leave without (i.e. tool kits, tire repair kits, etc)? I'm hoping to learn from you guys so I don't get stranded someplace and have to learn from the hard knocks.
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Re: ATV Accessories
how fitting...
you could get a giant azz baloon to seal yourself in so when it flips over you don't end up with a busted up collar bone...850 miles from home... 
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Re: ATV Accessories
actually, the gun racks on OHBH quad work out great for holding climbers. Get a hold of him to find out the brand.
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Re: ATV Accessories
Moose and kolpin usualy have the bases covered.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoyt_em
actually, the gun racks on OHBH quad work out great for holding climbers. Get a hold of him to find out the brand.
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That's good to know. I was looking at some of the stand holders, too. If he doesn't chime in, I'll shoot him a PM.
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Re: ATV Accessories
PRE GAPPED SPARK PLUG, ALWAYS CARRY A SPARE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THEY WILL FOUL OUT. DONT FORGET A WRENCH TO GET IT OUT.
EMERGENCY GAS. I USE A ALUMINUM WHITE GAS FUEL CONTAINER THAT YOU CAN GET AT ANY SPORTING GOOD STORE FOR LIKE 6.00
THESE KOLPIN GRIPS SUCK AND BREAK VERY EASY

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Re: ATV Accessories
the ones i have on our quad are kolpin. a lil more than others but are well built. as hooters said u can carry a bow or ur tree stand with them.
as far as the back rack i want to get one for ours but going to take it off during the winter months. there really loud when going over bumps. but are great carrying a saw or alot of other things
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Re: ATV Accessories
Do you have the kolpin racks with the rubber starps, or is it the ratchet kind? Is it a single or a double? The regular or the XL? Sorry for all the questions.
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Re: ATV Accessories
its a single Xl, it has the rubber straps but i lost them shortly after i got them. need new ones. it still hold my bow or gun without anything on them. on the double i didnt think u could carry 2 bows, if i knew u could i would get a new set now.
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Re: ATV Accessories
THE CABELAS CLAMP ON REAR VIEW MIRRORS ARE HANDY TOO IF YOU RIDE WITH OTHERS.
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Re: ATV Accessories
Bullzi answered my question about the ratchet one. If I get the double (which is what I'm leaning toward) and it can hold two bows, I'll let you know.
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Re: ATV Accessories
AND THE THUMB EXTENSIONS ARE WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN GOLD. COURSE THEY AINT TOO SPENDY OR HEAVY. THEY GIVE YOUR THUMB A NICE BREAK AFTER A LONG RIDE BECAUSE YOU CAN USE THE PALM OF YOUR HAND TOO.
NICE
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Re: ATV Accessories
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba Buck
Bullzi answered my question about the ratchet one. If I get the double (which is what I'm leaning toward) and it can hold two bows, I'll let you know.
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GET THE DBL. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU MIGHT CARRY SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES YOUR BOW. SHOVEL, RIFLE OR TWO... THIS THAT OR THE OTHER
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BULLZ-i
AND THE THUMB EXTENSIONS ARE WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN GOLD.
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I was wondering about those, too. Thanks.
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Re: ATV Accessories
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Originally Posted by Bubba Buck
I was wondering about those, too. Thanks.
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THEY CAN BEND INTO WHATEVER POSITION YOU NEED FOR COMFORT.
AND OF COURSE SOME KIND OF REAR GEAR BAG FOR CLOTHES, LUNCH ETC...
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07-29-2010
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Bowcountry Junkie
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Re: ATV Accessories
DOn't know if it means much ,but I always carry a tow strap in my box with extra tools for minor repairs and spark plugs . If you have room a small comalong is always usefull .
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Re: ATV Accessories
Rubber straps, my rack has a bunch on it, they come in so handy and will secure most anything. I also keep a short (10') rope tied around the rear rack. These things take up zero space, but amazing how many times you will use them.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim P ny
Rubber straps, my rack has a bunch on it, they come in so handy and will secure most anything. I also keep a short (10') rope tied around the rear rack. These things take up zero space, but amazing how many times you will use them.
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The Rubber straps are a good idea, I'll pick some of them up on the way home. How do you guys haul your chain saw around? Do you just strap it to the rack or do any of you have one of those chain saw holders? I don't really think they're worth the money, however, if it saves my saw from taking a tumble, it might pay for itself in the repair bills.
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Re: ATV Accessories
i just strap it to the racks, but if i cut more wood i would get the holder for it. I just take mine out everyonce n a while to cut down some falling tree in my trails. Maybe a shooting lane if need be.
Im going to out and take a picture of our Quad brb in 10 mins.
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Re: ATV Accessories
I have a air compressor built into my quad along with my winch. A deer hoist, tree stand holders off the back, slime in the box along with a pole saw and other goodies
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Re: ATV Accessories
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Re: ATV Accessories
DONT FORGET TO BUNGIE THE 2 COWS DOWN
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Re: ATV Accessories
TOILET PAPER!
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Re: ATV Accessories
thats why we carry racthet straps in the rear rak pack. N ever since we added that Jess has been thinking me cause he arse is not as sore for the hard racks
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Re: ATV Accessories
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Originally Posted by ohbuckhunter
thats why we carry racthet straps in the rear rak pack. N ever since we added that Jess has been thinking me cause he arse is not as sore for the hard racks
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hey butthunter. i noticed you removed that saddlehorn you had on your seat for the pics..
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Re: ATV Accessories
Yeah u wore that thing out when u was down for nelsonville
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Re: ATV Accessories
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohbuckhunter
thats why we carry racthet straps in the rear rak pack. N ever since we added that Jess has been thinking me cause he arse is not as sore for the hard racks
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her arse wouldn't be sore from the racks if yer arse wasn't hoggin up all the seat...
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Re: ATV Accessories
i have a big ass, big belly, big mouth.
do me a favor, go in ur bathroom look in the mirror and come back and say sorry
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Re: ATV Accessories
sorry...that you don't look this dayum good...200, err...220 well maybe a tad bit more of pure muscle...and good looks...
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Re: ATV Accessories
220 + 40 maybe, as far as the good looks yeah there is a few people in ur household thats pretty good looking. Well pretty much everyone besides you
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Re: ATV Accessories
ya, well both my arms work right now too... 
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Re: ATV Accessories
but she can still kick ur arse
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Re: ATV Accessories
sssshhhhh!
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Re: ATV Accessories
Thanks for the pics. What year is that? I bought an '06 Eiger.
Do you use the bag on the back much?
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Re: ATV Accessories
this is a 08 750 king quad, Yes i use the front and back bags everytime i ride it. back carrys, ratchet straps, hammer, nails, hand saw, pruning saw, batterys for camera, tools, alot of other things as well. i gave 5 bucks for it, there regular around 30
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Re: ATV Accessories
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Originally Posted by ohbuckhunter
this is a 08 750 king quad, Yes i use the front and back bags everytime i ride it. back carrys, ratchet straps, hammer, nails, hand saw, pruning saw, batterys for camera, tools, alot of other things as well. i gave 5 bucks for it, there regular around 30
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if that thing had a pto, it would be rated as a tractor. that is my favorite quad
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MAARCHER
I have a air compressor built into my quad along with my winch. A deer hoist, tree stand holders off the back, slime in the box along with a pole saw and other goodies
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What kind of compressor? Something just big enough to air up the tires?
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Re: ATV Accessories
oh yea.. fill up the tires with slime. and keep a plugging kit onboard, and a low pressure gauge. ditto on the plug.
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Re: ATV Accessories
i keep all kind of bungy's strapped on the racks, plus a 50ft wally mart "climbing" rope. a few real climbing beaners are nice as well
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Re: ATV Accessories
I have mine pimped out with a front pack by badlands filled with bungee cords, tow straps, snatch block, 16oz slime for flat tires, tree strap, screw in tree steps and a tire plug kit. Back rack stays empty, it gets used for setting up farms carrying chain saws, straps, etc. I also pull a trailer with it when needed.I regret buying a spotlight because I've never never needed one while on a quad.

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Re: ATV Accessories
That's a nice lookin' rig you got there Jon. For some reason, I thought you had an Eiger, too.
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Re: ATV Accessories
I "HAD" an Eiger but some scumbag decided they wanted it more than I did. This machine replaced the stolen Eiger
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Re: ATV Accessories
Sorry about that.
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Re: ATV Accessories
ratchet straps, bungee cord, tire repair kit,
WINCH sure did come in handy once or twice.
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Re: ATV Accessories
Just swapped my 04 KFX400 for an emaculate 05 Bruin. Just ordered a bunch of stuff for it. Winch was top of the list.
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Re: ATV Accessories
***NOTE TO SELF****
OIL CHANGE
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Bowcountry Stowaway
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Re: ATV Accessories
Is that a note for you, or you tryin to tell me sumthin?
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Re: ATV Accessories
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon
I have mine pimped out with a front pack by badlands filled with bungee cords, tow straps, snatch block, 16oz slime for flat tires, tree strap, screw in tree steps and a tire plug kit. Back rack stays empty, it gets used for setting up farms carrying chain saws, straps, etc. I also pull a trailer with it when needed.I regret buying a spotlight because I've never never needed one while on a quad.

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Bowcountry Stowaway
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Re: ATV Accessories
Will you guys quit quotin that pic! It's givin me quad envy!
THING IS BAD AZZ!!!
Looked at the Badlands stuff, way sweet, just can't afford right now!
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Re: ATV Accessories
" NOTE TO SELF "
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08-02-2010
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Re: ATV Accessories
Just makin sure it wasn't you tryin the Jedi Mind Trick again!
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08-03-2010
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Bowcountry Pioneer
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,564
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Re: ATV Accessories
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Originally Posted by Jon
I have mine pimped out with a front pack by badlands filled with bungee cords, tow straps, snatch block, 16oz slime for flat tires, tree strap, screw in tree steps and a tire plug kit. Back rack stays empty, it gets used for setting up farms carrying chain saws, straps, etc. I also pull a trailer with it when needed.I regret buying a spotlight because I've never never needed one while on a quad.

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Who left those tires leaning against that bush??
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2010 ELITE 'Zed' 28
70# @ 30", 440 gr. Easton ST Epic's headed by 3 blade RAGE at 287 fps and 79 ft-lbs.
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GO TEAM 13 AND TEAM CANADA!
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08-03-2010
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Bowcountry Stowaway
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 558
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Re: ATV Accessories
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